I have found out not long ago that I was not weird and that I am not alone in thinking and being the way I am.

It is truly a joy to know that I am not the only one because I have never met anyone like me in my environment.



Martineirving says...

At the encouragement of a colleague I did the Myers-Briggs test about two years ago and it came back INTJ. I researched it a bit and was initially highly impressed with the test (and myself). Then my skepticism kicked in and it started to seem more like a clever horoscope whereby any one of the sixteen types could be applied to any individual. My stance is that it interesting but I wouldn't put too much into it. I'm a musician. I've asked around my friends and associates and it seems a lot of people quite a bit younger than I) have dabbled with the testm. My sense is such things have become trendy and fashionable because of the convenience of the internet. We are told that INTJs are the rarest, and women even more so, yet I've enountered several musicians. This is just anecdotal but then it makes sense. People accomplished at music easily identify patterns, and work with patterns on a complex and abstract level in multiple ways but certainly aurally and visually. An accomplished musician has also spent a lot of time in a practice room, working obsessively on techniquue and figuring better and more efficient ways of executing music; these days often from vastly different musical eras and styles.

Musicians tend not to care much about making money (but are often remarkably capable at living well on very little income - an occupational necessity, perhaps). But now I've rambled on.


I do have big  and long-term ideas aimed at improving the quality of life for most people and would love to implement them or raise awareness of the possibilities. It seems, however, most people are just busy or overwhelmed with their own lives and have little time for such things (especially if it requires a little thought, care and the slightest physical effort, no matter how brief). Yep, it's true, I don't understand humans. I want to help, I know some of the solutions (as do many people), yet it is so hard to get the message into the mainstream. It is like there is a double-block - from the top in the psychopathy of government and corporations and from the bottom in the grass-roots complacency and interia.

Devin (not verified) says...

Just read your comment about the INTJ personality type and your skepticism about the Meyers-Briggs test. I'm a fellow INTJ and musician and I approached the test with similar doubts. The more I read about it, the more legitimate I've come to believe it is. Horroscopes are idiotic because they aren't based on any actual scientific method or anecdotal input from the person. The MBTI, on the otherhand, draws it conclusions entirely from your own self-evaluation. If the personality type sounds spot on, it's because you gave them all the information about yourself in the questionnaire. For myself, reading up on the INTJ personality type highlighted what I already knew about myself but perhaps never considered. 

I would generally agree with the description of the INTJ personality type as "rare". I often feel like the things I think either go misunderstood or dismissed as "weird". To INTJs, the solutions to many problems appear readily apparent but most likely because we spend so much time on these things. So believe me, I totally get the feeling like you're not being understood or that your ideas are being wasted. 

ooga booga (not verified) says...

Have you tried unplugging and plugging it back in?


RitaHayworth (not verified) says...

Hey there.  I am like you guys in that I am a fellow INTJ and a former ballet dancer.  I definitely relate to Martineirving's thought about musicians being able to identify and work with patterns on a complex and abstract level; makes me wonder whether INTJs are more represented among musicians and ballet dancers.  I actually attribute my affinity for foreign languages to my ballet training, and possibly to being an INTJ as well.  The way I think about it is that because ballet dancers and musicians alike improve their technique by striving to achieve established ideals and explicitly fighting the urge to "cheat", we are better at adapting to new languages.    I always wondered why so many people "refuse" to produce the phonemes and syntax of a foreign language correctly-- what do you guys have to think about that?  Have you felt similarly in language classes?

And Devin, I totally feel you in the sense that solutions to many problems seem readily apparent to me; I never knew that there were others out there who felt that overwhelming feeling the way I did.  

Darrell Baldwin (not verified) says...

I'm an INTJ and I live in Charleston, SC., so if you live in the area...hit me up.  It would be nice to hang out with like-minded people. @darrell193

Finnegan Grey says...

On the main topic, and responding to MartinIntervening, MBTI theory/practice, like all psychology, is a "soft" social science, and not a completely hard objective one, like chemistry or physics. There is an element of art and intuition involved. But, ultimately, it has to be evidence-based.  A type description is systematic, but finding what fits your own modes of perception is both subjective (Inner experience) and objective (the facts of your life and how you act and interact with others).  The subjective side is a challenge for some, because you have to admit your own strengths and weaknesses, but only by understanding those can you begin to develop youself as a well-balanged personality. For others, being objective and honest can be the challenge. If the description of a type doesn't "ring true", then you are probably not that type. Also, pinning down an exact type is not always easy, because the 4 axes of the personality are not black/white yes/no binary, but are a question of degree. For example, you may be an Introvert, but not extremely so, or even borderline I/E. And, especially with younger people, the differentiation and growth of the personality takes time, and a given type may not be clear, or may appear to shift, to the outside observer.

Regarding the discussion on musicians and INTJ, I think that it depends to some degree on the spatial/mathematic aptitude of the person.  Personally, I am not a musician, but played instruments in my teens, but have a strong visual orientation. I have always felt the need to balance the artistic and scientific/engineering systematizing sides of my interests. And I have been friends with rationalist NT (engineering and entrepreneur/business) types, but also many creative ones of the Idealist (NF) group and a notable number of ESTPs. As well as music-appreciating friends, I've had three college and high-school friends went on to be film-makers, and three professional painters, as well as a multitude of designers of various sorts. I think that it is the appeal to the intuitive side, as well as the pattern recognition.

On the other side, I have often found it challenging to get along with the "Guardian" (Sensate-Judgemental) types that love their rules and routines and more restrictive world-views.

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